Category: Let's talk
Are you in favor of abortion, for unwanted pregnancy?
Hey I’m not in favor I will just have to rasie my own kid if that happens or the worse thing I can do is put the child in an orphanage. I would never kill someone that is just starting with his/her life.
No, I definitely do not support the act of abortion. If I'm prepared to have sex, then I'm prepared to take on the consequences ... that's how it goes. I think more people should be responsible and own up to their mistakes. Just 'cause you literally screwed up doesn't mean the unwanted child is at fault. There's always adoption as an alternative.
--Allie
i definetely agree with you 100 percent.
An embryo is just the start of life; I don't consider that a person. People think, feel, and learn much more even as a baby, and they learn so quickly, so of course a baby is a person. We don't even form real identities until we're much older though. An embryo starting out has the same capabilities of other animals' embryos, so why should we treat it any differently unless we're vegetarians? Besides, in very early stages, embryos can be split into multiple individuals because there are undifferentiated cells. Would all those splits be unique "babies" then? Once you get to the fetal stage you hit grey areas because when is it, or isn't it, a person? As more and more brain functions develop, the more it is uniquely human and not primitive like other animals. If you go for the religion thing, do they all have unique souls as soon as the split occurs? And since souls don't die, then nothing dies anyway except a primitive embryo with the most uniquely human DNA not yet activated.
I don't really know how I feel. I think that if you don't want a baby, then don't have sex. Thats what I stick to. If for some reason the baby is going to be born ill, or the mother will die due to having the baby, than maybe abortion is ok, but I really don't know. I wish that I had a one sided opinion on the subject, but I really don't.
abortion is a very emotive subject and one which has been raised on these boards on numerous occasions. In reality, only a woman who is pregnant with the child can decide whether or not she wants to have an abortion. it is something which, in my opinion, no one can decide for her. I don't believe any woman should be forced to carry, and give birth to, a child she doesn't want, but by the same token I do not necessarily think abortion should be used as a form of birth control. i believe that if a woman has had more than one abortion, she should actually be prevented from having children in the future. Abortion on health grounds is an entirely different matter and should be treated as such.
Yes I'm in favour of it and would you not consider using protection to avoid having a child you could stick in an orphanage,like a new car in a showroom..we would only consider abortion, if the child was going to suffer through out his/her life..we would not be stupid enough to have unprotected sex and then hope for a negative result that is completely irresponsible
Yes I'm in favour of it and would you not consider using protection to avoid having a child you could stick in an orphanage,like a new car in a showroom..we would only consider abortion, if the child was going to suffer through out his/her life..we would not be stupid enough to have unprotected sex and then hope for a negative result that is completely irresponsible
Yes I'm in favour of it and would you not consider using protection to avoid having a child you could stick in an orphanage,like a new car in a showroom..we would only consider abortion, if the child was going to suffer through out his/her life..we would not be stupid enough to have unprotected sex and then hope for a negative result that is completely irresponsible
hmmm, it is easy for us to say now that we are yae or nae on this issue. But, really I don't think any of our opinions count unless we are in the situation. You may say now that you are anti, but when it comes down to it and it is a life threatening issue and you and the baby aren't going to make it. Hmmm, I really doubt very many of us are going to go through with the pregnancy! Most people are so scared of death, so I really don't see many putting themselves through this. I may be wrong, but I doubt it when it comes down to it! Were all human beings and accidents do happen. However, I do agree with the point that abortions shouldn't be used as a form of birth control. This is a touchy subject. It's easy for those of us that haven't been in the situation to throw out opinions. Just imagine how those that are in this situation feel. It has to be a hard decision to make! I don't think the choice should be taken away from them! smile- Angel!
I think it depends at what stage you're at. once you have carried a baby and felt it moving inside you there is not much that would be able to seperate you from that baby. i can't imagine having an abortion even then, i'd die for my child, no question, even before he was born.
yeah, sb you make a good point. But, the situation I made is neither of you owuld make it and it is the begining of the pregnancy. See, as I said there are many different situations and no one should make the decision for anyone else. It's definately a hard topic to discuss since there are many different situations. the people that say there should be no choice under any situation kill me. They need to think the different situations through. Each case needs to be looked at differently. Each has there own situations! smile- Angel! lol used situations a lot! heheheheheh
There is a disturbing new trend among young professional women, who fall pregnant, of using abortion as a means of contraception. I cannot understand how these well educated, highly paid women, can be so damned frivolous with a life..are they completely without common sense?..And worse still the private abortion clinics seem only too happy to go along with their way of thinking..children have become disposible they are a comodity now and less important than yesterdays episode of big brother..Hmm a very noble thought SB,but what would happen to him, bereft of his mother, the care system is notorious for producing abused emotionally damaged children
I'm completely in favour of giving people the right to choose whether or not they have abbortions right until their concractions begin. Afterall, it's their body so it should be up to them what lies inside it and what doesn't. And if you''re not ready to have a child, but you're not allowed to have an abbortion, then what's going to happen if the resources for the child to be brought up properly aren't there for what ever reason? the child can't enjoy a deesent up-bringing has little chance of developing properly as a result. It should be up to the pregnant individual, and it's not for anybody else to say that they should or shouldn't have an abbortion. This is a classic example of where society feels it has a right to control what people do privately. No harm will come to anybody as a result of someone having an abbortion. Yeah the baby won't live, but it never lived outside the persons body anyway so it wasn't an individual. Instead it was a part of the pregnant person. While the baby is connected inside the pregnant womans body, it is effectively hers and only hers. Therefore she should have the sole right to dispose of it if she wants to.
I think it comes down to, what is an individual? I already gave my opinion on that point, but to elaborate, a person is a self-aware being who has cognitive functioning more advanced than that of other animals. To me, that's what differentiates humans from other animals--our ability to cognitively learn and absorb information in a more advanced way than say, a rat (although even a rat has some intelligence).
From the moment of conception, it is a life and not jjust a mere fetus. You can hear the baby's heart beating by two months!!! Sure, the baby's completely helpless without the pregnant woman, but would you even consider killing a baby once it was born? It's just as helpless, just as much a nobody, right?
1800: A rat is as clever an animal as you are ever likely to find,they can learn faster than someone with downs syndrome...rats are the ultimate survivors...WW ohhh She can always dump it in a home and forget the little person ever existed..then solicit herself to the next gullible bloke who thinks solely with his dick!
it is totaly different when you talk about killing a baby that has already been born. You need to stop and think of the many cercomstances there are in making the decision. So say you are told you are having a baby that will never be able to do anything. He or she is going to be a begetable the rest of his life with no chance of ever having a life? Do you think it is fare of oyou to bring that baby into this world? Isn't that selfish of you? Yeah, I know some of you are going to say some babies this way do have life, and I kow that. i have3 a cousin that is in a wheel chair and has to be fed with feeding tubes he can't really talk or anything. but he is happy as can be. Now when she was pregnant she was told there was a chance but had no idea if it would be this bad or not. She made the decision to keep it and take that chance. and that is the best decision she ever made he is so happy. but like i said what if they knew for sure it had no chance. It's so not fare for the baby to have to go through that. smile- angel
yes you're entirely right angel and if it is a child that has no chance of quality of life then I think no one should blame a parent for choosing to have a termination. and let's bear in mind that having a termination under those circumstances is entirely different to having an early abortion because such severe defects are usually not detected until approx 20 weeks gestation and at that time the procedure cannot be carried out surgically - the woman actually has to physically give birth to a very small, but well-formed, baby, which will be dead when she gives birth to it. so i think anyone who actually goes through that should not be ridiculed but should receive the utmost sympathy.
How can anyone tell that your cousin is happy if he is unable to react normally to stimulation..I'd say it would be damned hard to not confuse his child like reactions with a sign of sentient happiness...I think though I can't generalise about every parent in this situation..but some want the child no matter how damaged they may be, its as if they want the chance to say this is my child.didn't I do well in having him/her I am such a good parent for deciding to devote my time to a child which will probably suffer through out its entire life,that is a very selfish narrow minded view which I cannot stand...And before anyone jumps down my throat I knew a lad in this situation and by feck he suffered
there's more to it than that though. if you bring a child into the world that is so severely disabled, that child will, in effect, be a child for the rest of its life, maybe 30, 40, 50 years. and there's a chance that you will not always be there to take care of it. is it fair to deliberately bring a child into the world that you know you will not be able to take care of for its entire life? i don't think so.
i never said he can't react to stimulation. he does try to talk and can say a few things. He smiles and makes noises. you can just tell how happy he is. You put a toy or someone he knows in front of him and he loves it and you can tell by the look on his face and the noises he makes. smile- angel
and that's a good quality of life!? I knew a lad Danny who had a genetic disorder that caused progressive brain damage..Danny went through every stage imaginable before succumbing and when he was still able he asked me to relieve his suffering and by christ I wish I'd had the courage to do it..
um are you being sarcastic?
yeah, best quality of life that was possible for him. I don' exactly understand where you are going with this? What's your point and how does this have anything to do with what I said about abortions? shea is confuzled! smile- angel
A baby is still more developed cognitively. It is helpless but learns so quickly, absorbs so quickly, and has so much more potential. The same applies to a disabled person that will be a child for the rest of his/her life; a child is still a person. The heartbeat means nothing to me; animals have heartbeats. As far as the rat is concerned, can rats communicate? I know they can memorize mazes and such, but I don't know how much they can solve problems, ETC. Of course a baby can't do any of that, but once he/she is born, he/she is becoming an individual, being socialized from birth onward, forming a unique personality. An embryo does none of these things.
Japanimangel, what about the people who don't want children? Should they never have sex?
it's a tricky one. there are some who believe that life is precious from the moment of conception, i.e. when two cells form an embrio they think of it as a baby and thus it should be preserved. however, a fetus would not survive outside its mother's uterus until the time of birth, yes we have advanced greatly in science and doctors will attempt to save the life of a baby that is born after 24 weeks gestation, but without that scientific and medical intervention such a small baby would die if it were born. therefor, one might say that such a small baby does not actually have a life of its own, because it depends on someone else to sustain its life, and therefore if that someone else does not wish to continue with the pregnancy, that life will end.
As for people not having sex, well in part i agree, but if you really do not want to have children and don't wish to use birth control, there are medical procedures which can ensure you never have children.
If I don't want children and my girlfriend doesn't want to have children, but we both want to have sex, we're going to have sex and if she becomes pregnant and decides during her pregnancy no matter what the stage that she wants to have an abbortion that decision should be respected. It's her body, it's up to her what goes inside it and if she doesn't want a baby to be there, then the baby shouldn't be there, simple as that! It should be illegal to give birth to a child which is never going to be self-sufficient in my opinion. They take take take and give nothing back in return. It's irresponsible of people to give birth to children they know are going to be like that, and if they do give birth to a child like that when they knew that it would be like that, they should be prevented from ever having children again because they're selfish and irresponsible. Same applies if a child has something wrong with it which will prevent it from living.
I can understand WW's point of view. It's a question of who's more mportant; the needs of society or the needs of the individual. Also, who's to say if that disabled child won't become more than people think,or make a difference in others' lives that makes up for its burden on society?
There are stages in one's life where one might want to have sex but not yet want children. No form of birth control is 100%; an accident is indeed possible.
you're right nothing is 100% fail safe, but how many accidents do you allow for. you can't use abortion as a form of birth control. many women have abortions and suffer scarring as a result and are then unable to have children in the future, but this is something they don't appear to consider at the time.
those selfish creatures don't consider anything at the time except the ease with which they can get rid of their unwanted child..still I suppose abortion in this case is preferable than growing up unloved..
I agree whole-hartedly with Wayne's point of view. I believe in a mother's right to choose whether or not she wants to bring a life in to the world. Thinking back on when I was a child, I am sure that I would know if my parents wanted me or not and if you truly don't want the child inside of you, why put it through so much misery!!!??? If you get pregnant, there are many factors on which you must consider. Can you support your child? Are both of you prepared to take care of this child? Are you capable of taking care of yourself, let alone taking care of a baby? ... If you have answered "no" to any of these questions, then please relook at the issue of abbortion once again.
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I don't have a problem with abbortion been used as a form of birth control. It's better that it isn't needed, but if it is, then so what? Yeah a potential life is lost, but isn't a potential life lost when people have protected sex anyway? The only difference with abbortion is that while the person was developing before been born, it was abborted. However, either wa;y the child won't be born, and that is what the person carrying it has decided they want so they've got there way and that's good for everybody.
If you take the abortion pill early and watch your cycle and be dilligent, then you won't have the scarring potential.
wWhy should these irresponsible ignorant selfish women get away with systematically producing, then killing children! What about their S'O's, where are these creatures, when their girlfriends, are down the clinic yet again, waiting to destroy their future son or daughter..any decent man would run a mile from such uncaring amateur sluts!....
wWhy should these irresponsible ignorant selfish women get away with systematically producing, then killing children! What about their S'O's, where are these creatures, when their girlfriends, are down the clinic yet again, waiting to destroy their future son or daughter..any decent man would run a mile from such uncaring amateur sluts!....
I still think adoption is a good alternative because there are a lot of people in this world who can't have children of their own who would love to adopt. I'm not in favor of killing a child I know is going to end up being severely disabled. Someone once asked my mom, in reference to my younger brother who has cerebral palsy, "Why didn't you have an abortion when you found out he was going to be handicapped?" Personally, that made me very angry. We never know what the child will grow up to be like if we never give him/her the chance. My brother loves watching TV, he can navigate the computer with a mouse pretty well, he feeds himself and he gets around the house by crawling on all fours. He may be able to walk soon. I think he's the awesomest little brother I've ever had, though, and I really admire him and what he's been able to achieve. If my mom had never given him that chance, if she had gone through with the abortion, we would never have had the chance to know him.
--Allie
Rite after conseption, the the fedus's heart is beating. women usually find out there pregnant from 4 to 8 weeks into it; when they notice a change in there mentral cycle. If you look up how abortion is done, it's ought to churn your stomach. The people who perform it are basically scooping out the fedus and then smashing it into pieces. By about 3 to 4 months, a pregnant woman now has another heart beating inside of her. To abort it is to kill it! It's practically murder in my eyes. I don't know how women live with themselves after ending a poor innocent life. It's so wrong. People should take responsibillity for their actions, and not run away from their problems.
I wholeheartedly agree that everyone should take responsibility for their actions, instead of running away from their problems. OK, so some think that having an abortion is not running away, but merely dealing with a problem, right? I just see it as the easy way out ...
--Allie
Personally I could never have a termination, unless the child was so severely disabled that that child would have no quality of life. However, deciding to have the baby and then give it up for adoption can potentially have massive repercussions. When you’re initially pregnant it could potentially be easy to say, “oh I’ll have it, and have it adopted”, but once that baby starts to move inside you there are all sorts of emotions that you go through. That baby is then a part of you in every sense of the word. You start to expect movement at certain times of the day/night, and you bond with that baby, it is, a part of you. It kicks you in the ribs, you feel its little hands moving, it gets hiccups (that’s a really strange sensation), and then at the end of it comes the birth. And nothing on this earth, can prepare you for the emotional process of giving birth. It is something you can never describe to people, because it is something you can never understand until you have been through it yourself. Now imagine if you decided that you couldn’t have a baby for financial reasons, but you didn’t have a termination, but decided to go through with the pregnancy and give up the baby for adoption, you might change your mind because of the feelings you developed, but you still wouldn’t be in a financial position to bring up the baby, so you would have to go through all that, and then hand over your living, breathing, crying baby to someone else, and for the rest of your life you would know that you have a child out there which, to all intents and purposes, you gave away because you didn’t want it. And what if that child then comes back in 20 years time and wants to know what happened? Why you didn’t keep it? What do you say to that child then? Now while I can imagine that having a termination produces some major feelings of guilt, at least those feelings do not involve wondering if your child is being looked after, what his first words might have been, where he is, whether you’ll ever see him again. I think given the choice, that abortion is actually preferable to adoption.
and while I agree that there are some women who user abortion simply as a means of birth control, and that those women are dispickable in my view, there are also some who find it very difficult to make that decision and who go through immense trauma after the event. I think to clasify abortion as murder, whilst that is of course your opinion and you are entitled to it, is perhaps a little harsh. yes, a fetus is a life, but not in the sense that you or i, or even a newborn baby is a life. The heartbeat is detectable at 7 weeks, but the fetus does not even look anything like a baby until around about 12 weeks. Most of the major organs have not fully formed until around 18 weeks, so to compare a fetus to a baby is not quite accurate. In this country, you can have an abortion at a private clinic or wherever up to 12 weeks, after that, there has to be good reason for having a termination, you can't just go and "get rid" of the baby. One other thing, for those who advocate the having of babies for the purposes of adoption, there are thousands, and thousands of unwanted children in this world who are waiting to be adopted. many of those are not babies, and a lot of people would choose to adopt a newborn baby as opposed to an older child who perhaps comes with many emotional problems ... etc. If we stopped abortions and put all these babies up for adoption as well, what would happen to those older children. chances are they would languish in the foster care systems of their respective countries for years to come without any hope of being adopted. There are enough screwed up lives in this world already, without potentially bringing new ones into the world.
Well killing a bee is murder, so if people are so against murder, find out where I live and get me sent to prison for killing a bee. The baby isn't in the mans body, so the man isn't entitled to make the choice though he is obviously entitled to his views. Abbortion is better than adoption in my oppinion. If women who have lots of abbortions weren't allowed to, they may end up having lots of children instead and not been able to look after them. That wouldn't be right for the children. I wouldn't want to have my child adopted because I'd wonder what was happening in its life and eventually it'd come and find me wanting to know why I didn't bring it up. If it was abborted instead, it could just be forgotten about.
Ok, you've got a point. well, more than just a point. All i could say is that I don't know how I could ever do it, but i understand, every situation is different.